{"id":2508,"date":"2020-11-27T01:19:52","date_gmt":"2020-11-27T01:19:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/winefolio.co.nz\/?p=2508"},"modified":"2020-11-27T01:26:17","modified_gmt":"2020-11-27T01:26:17","slug":"what-is-a-cult-wine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/winefolio.co.nz\/?p=2508","title":{"rendered":"What is a &#8216;Cult Wine&#8217;?"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"2508\" class=\"elementor elementor-2508\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-7d3f0ff elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7d3f0ff\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-36aa962\" data-id=\"36aa962\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-352c84f elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"352c84f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>There are many an interesting topic you may come across now and then in the world of wine. Last week I was asked an opinion about &#8216;cult&#8217; wines, and did I think a certain wine was one? That wine was \u2018<strong>Valhalla<\/strong>\u2019 from <strong>Man O&#8217; War<\/strong>. Now I&#8217;m a bit conflicted on that \u2013 a lovely example of the modern style, full-on and intense \u2013 but surely it\u2019s too easy and obvious a wine to come by &#8211; and, anyway, how do you define a &#8216;cult&#8217; wine?<\/p><p>To me it probably needs to be hard to get, and highly prized and awarded. Great reviews will help but that&#8217;s not all. And context &#8211; what we may not think is that special, may be coveted overseas&#8230;<\/p><p>Many of the wines that people will list, when pressed, in a line up of Cult Wines, are surrounded by a layer of mystique. You can only satisfy your desire and intrigue about them by getting to taste one of them. But how? Often the availability (or supply even) of them is so low that even those who could easily afford to buy them \u2013 price is very often a factor (more later) \u2013 simply can not. Money cannot buy you everything.<\/p><p>Actually, the lack of supply will almost always mean that the price goes up \u2013 often to what might seem ridiculous heights. And of course, that raises the bar in terms of fame and guess what \u2013 the price goes up (even more).<\/p><p>One of the best discussions I had on defining a cult wine came from a chat with <strong>Reg Hawkins<\/strong>. He had this excellent comment to make: \u201cThe wines themselves would have to boast a high degree of personality and ideally ageability along with the expected vinous qualities without being overwrought in any way. Cult labels could either have subtle, effective marketing or none at all with their brand identity issuing from their intrinsic merits and stories. All up, wines that resonate with me are ones which operate in a visceral way; their whole being greater than the sum of their parts. In saying this they don\u2019t have to be fine or rare, just characterful and memorable.\u201d<\/p><p>One factor in Cult Wines is that it might only be one specific example of a wine. The winemaker may have a range of wines that they make \u2013 yet there\u2019s only one of their examples that becomes a Cult? <strong>Marcel Giesen<\/strong> is one of the people behind <strong>Bell Hill<\/strong> \u2013 a superb label from Weka Pass \u2013 but is also one of the Giesen brothers, from the well-known Marlborough wine family. I picked up a bottle of 2014 <strong>Clayvin Vineyard Pinot Noir<\/strong> from Giesen (and I believe that Marcel is the leading hand in Giesen\u2019s custodianship of this vineyard) for under $35 this year \u2013 yet Bell Hill remains stoically priced at $125. Of course, these are two very distinct wines, and I am in no way trying to compare them \u2013 simply mentioning that the same hand has a part to play in both wines, with different pricing, and status, outcomes.<\/p><p>Other times, a wine maybe seen as fitting the \u2018cult\u2019 bill if it\u2019s only made in special, great vintage, years \u2013 New Zealand has a few examples of this, and winemaker <strong>Paul Dawick<\/strong> had this to say about one of his stable of wines: \u201cI think top labels that are only made on exceptional vintages. <strong>Mills Reef Elspeth<\/strong> for example. Not wines made every year at the same price regardless of the quality of the season.\u201d<\/p><p>I asked for comments on the subject on social media and <strong>Jules van Costello<\/strong> \u2013 owner incidentally of a wine shop named \u2018<strong>Cult Wine<\/strong>\u2019 \u2013 and therefore who better to give an opinion on the subject! He reacted with \u201c<strong>Bell Hill, Kusuda, Destiny Bay<\/strong>\u201d \u2013 which is incidentally some of the names that cropped up in the original real-life discussion that came out of the \u2018Valhalla\u2019 suggestion.<\/p><p>When pressed further, Jules also had this to say &#8211; \u201cthe way I tend to describe classic \u201ccult wines\u201d are wines which have their high prices legitimised by tiny volumes. Not to say they are not worth it, but people will pay more for something no one else has!\u201d<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-bff9a37 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"bff9a37\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-2ecbff4\" data-id=\"2ecbff4\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b7888c4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b7888c4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Another contributor:<strong> Don Kavanagh<\/strong> has this to say about the idea of a New Zealand Cult Wine: \u201cI think the definition of a cult wine is one whose price is kept high by a dedicated cohort of fans, who are quite happy to pay a premium to get hold of the wine, thereby keeping the prices up and the supply limited. After that, market forces of supply and demand tend to keep the prices high. However, they do have to be consistently good, otherwise their cachet among the faithful will fade and the price could fall. An example from NZ might be <strong>Destiny Bay Magna Praemia<\/strong> from Waiheke, or <strong>Providence<\/strong> from Matakana.\u201d<\/p><p>Sometimes the Cult Wine is born from a specific site \u2013 in France they could label this as Grand Cru. For someone like <strong>Tim Turvey<\/strong> at <strong>Clearview<\/strong>, there are a couple of rows in the middle of his Chardonnay vines \u2013 the oldest vineyard on the site \u2013 that get thinned down to around 7 bunches per vine, and go into his very top expression \u2013 <strong>Endeavour<\/strong>. It\u2019s a very specific wine, and the nuances that make it so \u2013 when it\u2019s surrounded by other rows and vines that also make some extremely good Chardonnay (Clearview Reserve and Three Rows took out second and third spots in our Top 10 Tasting this September) \u2013 the little differences add up to a couple of percentage points of advantage, value and acclaim.<\/p><p>Somewhere like the Rhone Valley, a Grand Cru site can be right across a lane to another vineyard site that doesn\u2019t have that designation, and makes wines of similar quality \u2013 since so much of a great wine is derived from the vineyard. In these examples, a cult wine can lead to the rise in appeal of whole regions surrounding it. You could argue that somewhere premium winegrowing areas like Napa Valley can trace their cachet back to the single tasting \u2013 the \u2018Judgement of Paris\u2019 in 1976. Even now, something like <strong>Screaming Eagle<\/strong> has driven a rise in value of many of its East Oakville neighbours well into the $200+ range.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-c6677eb elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"c6677eb\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-c04fb16\" data-id=\"c04fb16\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-76017ee elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"76017ee\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"719\" height=\"393\" src=\"https:\/\/winefolio.co.nz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/bockles2.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-image-2505\" alt=\"NZ wine bottles\" srcset=\"https:\/\/winefolio.co.nz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/bockles2.jpg 719w, https:\/\/winefolio.co.nz\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/11\/bockles2-300x164.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 719px) 100vw, 719px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-b6419d0 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"b6419d0\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-37f8f45\" data-id=\"37f8f45\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-308d336 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"308d336\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>What about a wine that is so incredibly cult, that it\u2019s devotees will buy it no matter what? One example is <strong>Sine Qua Non<\/strong> from Santa Barbera. This is surely the definition of a Cult wine \u2013 after all \u2013 a Cult is something where you follow a leader and whatever they say? This label produces not just a wine with a different name, and label \u2013 and often, even bottle shape &#8211; for every vintage\u2026 but the wine inside the crazy cool exterior is often different too. Generally focussed on Rhone varieties, but their followers will try and buy anything that Manfred and Elaine Krankl produce, it seems.<\/p><p>I have often wondered whether Cult Wines can be intentionally made, as well? Wines that are deliberately intended to be released in tiny quantities and priced as \u2018ultra-premium\u2019 wines, right from their inception? Or, can you separate out the pricing and the quantity and say that either one is a leader to Cult status?<\/p><p><strong>Jemma Grobelaar<\/strong>, of jemma.co.nz says: \u201cA wine that if you could get easily, no one would want&#8230; like an anti marketing wine that you don\u2019t need to advertise as it sells itself via word of mouth and high demand because of factors like Supa hot branding, consistently magnifique vintages from small parcels of land or specific microclimates. In the case of <strong>777 Penfolds<\/strong> it\u2019s the strong branding and inner circle sort of relationship that is formed when people get to drink the wine.\u201d<\/p><p>I was in conversation with <strong>Matt Aitchison<\/strong>, one of New Zealand\u2019s best sommeliers, and who has crafted an interesting wine list for his new venture \u2018<strong>Stanley Avenue Wine Bar<\/strong>\u2019 on Auckland\u2019s North Shore, I took the opportunity to pick his brains on the subject. Matt said \u201cI\u2019m not into the cult wine aspect personally. I think the rarity of a wine like <strong>Kusuda Pinot Noir<\/strong> makes it desireable \u2013 not everyone has heard of it. Not everyone can get it. We\u2019ve had a few conversations where people have asked if we could get hold of certain wines. Certain brands, they make it exclusive \u2013 price it high and make it rare. The rarer it is, the harder people try to obtain those wines. More in private collection terms though rather than retail or restaurant sales.\u201d<\/p><p>Some wines are very limited in production \u2013 and can be snaffled up by buyers on exclusive lists, only for those wines to be gradually released onto the secondary market \u2013 like reputable auctions \u2013 and command prices that are double, triple (or more) the price paid on release. I\u2019ve had a different experience of this \u2013 where I had scored an allocation of a wine that was limited in production (and very good) \u2013 and a friend wanted to get hold of a bottle of it. Of course, it\u2019s not available in retail, or even directly from the maker \u2013 so they reach out to me as a known admirer of said wine. I\u2019m not keen to sell, but offer up the opportunity for a swap \u2013 and am offered a trade quite out of balance in terms of pricing, but probably quite reasonable if you consider the rarity and desirability factors.<\/p><p>Writer and broadcaster, <strong>Mary-Therese Blair<\/strong> (Mermaid Mary) comments: \u201cFor me \u2018Cult\u2019 is a wine that is consistently excellent regardless of price or production size. I don\u2019t think a newbie can be \u2018cult\u2019 as they haven\u2019t shown that level of consistent vintage after vintage quality. A wine that springs to mind is <strong>Te Whare Ra<\/strong>\u2019s \u2018<strong>Toru<\/strong>\u2019.\u201d<\/p><p>Are scores and reviews from critics a big factor in the creation of Cult Wines? I think so. Our most famous wine scorer, <strong>Robert Parker<\/strong>, will play a part in the rise in status and therefore price of a wine that is scored highly. His use of the 100-point scale has resulted in the new-ish term \u2018100-point wine\u2019 where the wine is judged to be \u2018perfect\u2019. Who wouldn\u2019t want to try a perfect wine? An excellent review and rating is likely to be a decent indicator of quality, yes \u2013 but is after all, only an opinion, of typically one person on one day.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There are many an interesting topic you may come across now and then in the world of wine. 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